Sure it does, just look at middle east.

Religion.. is sort of like a 'divine' shield (I hate to use the word divine here... but hey, it fits) of human society. It basically provides us with the morals, and sort of background on where we came from. (everyone religions may have different backgrounds, but they all support similar or same morals) Not only that, they can also warm our heart, like some people feel safer, and feel much more lighthearted when they pray, and think God is hearing them. Now I'm not saying God doesn't exist, I mean, I'm not really the one who should be a judge on that, I don't think you can ever prove that God exists unless Messiah actually comes down to Earth once more like it says in the bible, or w/e in any other scriptures of all the religions around the world.

Well typing all that made me forget what I was going to say now.

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Religion is there for people who need it.. You are not forced to accept it

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Apparently for some people it is.

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OH EM GEE! YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL HELPZORS!


Or, you know...not, since hypocricy seems to keep biting you foo's in da ass. (Ok, ok...just Turbo's smelly, extra-toed ass). Since, you know, Advent's post was what I said, masked behind all my insults. But of course, being the mature man you are, you could look past that! Give yourself a pat on the back! You are not the failure your parents made you out to be!


Ok. Listen to this: I don't accept all religion's. In case Advent didn't know (living in Iowa, I'm assuming they finally got telephones...), dying for your country is a way to reach "Nirvana". That means killing innocent lives, makes them reach Heaven. Accept that, Mr. Anime.


It's wrong to say you're better than a person because of relgion though. Why? Because we will never know until you go kill yourself. You will never know. From any scientific standpoint, relgion is an absolute waste of time. The possibility of a God is unprovable, and so far out there. How many times in the past has a religion been squashed, because it's wrong? By whose standards then?

It's by the people with more power, plain and simple.

People have religion all wrong. It should be personal. You shouldn't care about religion, considering most of you seem to "accept" all religion. It's a belief. Not something worth complaining, or dying over. But people use it as superiority.

This is not speculating, as Avalon said. From the very beginning post, the only thing this thread has tried to ask is why is Christianity accepted, and why Atheism should be more widespread. That's already an idea, in progress. It's not furthering people; just pissing a shitload off. If you don't want to believe in a relgion, fine, go ahead. If you want to, fine, go ahead. If you want to be an agnostic, fine, go ahead and be a pussy who's too scared to make one single choice in their life.

But never lose faith in the Jesus Jackhammer.

And remember...


Jesus was the carpenter,
now he's the powertool.

He's the baddest
and best
in all of Nazreth.

The Jesus Jackhammer
has just one safety rule:

feet first, feet first,
not the head, ya fool.



Also, don't drag other's into bullshit. This is why I never give a view in a thread. During this entire thread, I have not once said if I agree or not. I've defended people's viewpoints, but never brought my own views into this thread. Only how people ought to behave...


...considering how accepting some people are.

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it took you about 15 posts but now one can actually understand what you're fucking saying.
and being an athiest does not make me scared to accept a religion, what have i got to loose if i do accept? nothing, there is no fear there, and since there is no proof and doesnt effect me till i die really then thats one of the most unimportant choices i will ever have to make in my life.

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Eh?

– you throw around unsubstantiated statements like they’re confetti. Shit dude, how do you know we will never prove there is/isn’t a God? Humans have ~3 billion years until the Earth is consumed by the sun to discover the truths of their own hypothetical bouts. You, a high school student who presents such a prejudiced argument – a person whom is so utterly dwarfed by his haphazard statements should not attempt to divulge a human sociological future that he can not possibly know the outcome of.

– physically, everything is adjoined in a relative medium whether we like it or not. I would love to see the physics behind a ‘miracle’. Personally, if I am to truly believe in Christianity, everything – all ideals presented by the faith – must unfoundedly be scientifically established and completely proven; so that no question rouses my mind and I can speculate no further. That, in my opinion, is the angle we should have approached the theory of Christianity. If you want a precedent, take evolution – in the name of science scientists act judiciously and will continue to act so until the theory is completely proven in all respects with empirical evidence. Only then will it be accepted into established scientific fact. The same, I believe, should be exercised for Christianity (not spirituality), for i am considering the possibility that that Christianity is a (pre?) medieval peoples’ explanation a world they are desperatly trying to make sense of and understand. The question is, “why is this preception continuing” – and bit, you answered that before:

– by the standards of logic. You know? the logic you’d hope to see in a court when you are falsely accused of murder. The jury isn’t going to say, “well, I got a weird feeling from this guy… guilty”
Perhaps I’ve taken this a tad out of context – but as far as I can see it is qualified and comparative to your argument’s reasoning.

–Who exactly has it all wrong? Please be specific.

– obviously...

– if, hypothetically, Christianity was proven false, how would this not further people?

“just pissing a shitload off” – “pissing you off”.

“If you don't want to believe in a relgion, fine, go ahead” – be specific as to what religion you are talking about.

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if you agree with the idea that religion should be personal...why are you making threads that criticize and belittle peoples beliefs?

why bring up religion, when you're as aware as i am...that none of us will have anything to say that could possibly sway or influence any of our minds?

this thread was bullshit, and thats why (i'd assume) bit was pissed.
...granted, hes pissed all the time. but stuff like this gets even me kinda angry.

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i haven't vindictively criticized anyone's beliefes (the only time I brushed on this was when i asked bit to extend himself and give his answer another try), nor did i ever intend to to belittle them (note that stating my own opinion is not a intented disparagement). I merely questioned. so i'll skip your first paragraph because it is your misconception.

To see both sides of my speculation and explore the concept that I might be wrong. note; bit did give me a good answer.

why is it bullshit? because it challenges your mentality?

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this is bullshit, because no matter what anyone said...unless they could fully prove christianity to you, would never change your mind...could they even say anything to make you consider changing your mind?
and since you know no one on this site is about to prove it to you, why start the thread?


so it's like the only reason people start threads like this...is to deplete faith. it seems to only be 'atheists' starting threads like this...it's so sad, how when they've given up on everything, they expect everyone else to. i don't believe in a god, but i wish i could have that kind of faith...i just don't want it to be blind. until then, i'm not about to create doubt in someone's mind simply because they don't possess the knowledge to defeat me in an argument.

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Ima laugh when you're all burning in hell.

ps. Merry Christmas .

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Thank God for Avalon, who can pick apart a post to the point of where it doesn't make sense!

I was just tellin the guy to go kill himself....for the good of mankind!

:S

You're still missing it dude. It's not that it is outdated. In case you didn't know, atheism has been around since the Greeks. That could just as easily be classified as 'outdated'. And by calling it outdated, you're only proving how closed-minded you are to the matter.

Again, you pick apart my post to where it doesn't make sense. In case you didn't know, my next sentence (the one you didn't include) answered that. Read my post ike you would a textbook. It's got all my answers in it, you just have to read it. Not: Sentence, pick apart, next sentence, repeat. Read as a whole. Here's an example of what you did wrong:

It's bullshit for the reasons he stated TWO LINES ABOVE THE ONLY PART YOU QUOTED. See:

P.S.- It's not challenging mentality when a person is smart enough to not get involved at all. Didn't he make it clear he doesn't give a rat's ass?

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Silly Rabbit! Trix are for kids!


Ok, if it's so obvious, then why the shit did you asked "Who exactly has it all wrong?" just ONE quote before?

The point is, people go by religion the wrong way. It's not something to spread, or compare to others. Since it SHOULD be private, but isn't, it's gone by the wrong way. Which is why I am against things like Bible study groups, and other things like Youth Groups.

A religion is vague. I'm damn well smart enough to know what I'm writing. It is vague on purpose. Because it includes all religions. Re-read my paragraph there, buddy. After all this posting, you think I'm going to exclude a religion?

If it was proven false, then yes, there would be progress. But to prove an entire religion requires something with power; Other humans. And it requires was to be fought. Domination over another religous group. There is no peaceful solution; Why? Look how closely people in this thread have stuck to their beliefs. There's your answer. Same reason, same principal. People do not want their OWN beliefs taken away from them, no matter how much they try to enforce their own on others. You are the all-hypocritical crap of the world. And you're not the only one.

So, what do you want? If you want equality of religions so damn much, then why are you so desperately questioning why it is still in practice? Why do you seem to want it to end? Why do you not accept the religion you yourself chose?

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lmao just outta curiousity, can i ask why i was deemed "mr plays with squirrels"?

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When I was five, a little girl named Sierra---that might not have been her name, but she always looked like a Sierra to me---had a crush on me and one day, when our kindergarten class went for a walk, Sierra hid and waited for me (I was, as usual, in the very back of the line) and then ran at me as hard as she could with her hands out. I very cleary remember seeing her come at me and thinking "Sierra has a crush on me." Then she shoved me so hard I slammed head first into the sidewalk and blacked out. When I woke up, everyone was freaked out, I had a massive head wound, Sierra was crying, and I was being rushed to the hospital. As a result, I have a permanent dent in my skull, right on my forehead. It feels like a little trench. Ask me next time I'm up in Fargo, or you're in Florida and I'll let you touch it. For a dollar.

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i appreciate that man.
thanks.

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lol, that is one long post bit >.<'

– yes. As you can see I realised my error soon after posting, and revised my post before you posted your reply. Case closed.

-----

Obviously you are missing the points I pressed; “Thank God for Avalon, who can pick apart a post to the point of where it doesn't make sense!”

So I’ll spell out what I meant for your benefit.

You said:
I assumed that the statement “It's wrong to say you're better than a person because of relgion though.” was not directed at me (as I didn’t ‘say I was better than any person because of religion’) – so I overlooked that.

However, I when I read “Why? Because we will never know until you go kill yourself. You will never know. The possibility of a God is unprovable, and so far out there.” I disagreed, and responding with:


Then you stated “How many times in the past has a religion been squashed, because it's wrong? By whose standards then? It's by the people with more power, plain and simple.” This is not plain and simple; in fact it makes little sense and is grammatically verbose. However, as I overlooked the “It's by the people with more power, plain and simple,” I replied:

This at the time seemed an alright response, but obviously now it makes little sense too.

Then you say:
Which is a prejudice assumption that ‘atheists’ (i assume you are talking about atheists as you do not specifiy which group of 'people') have religion ‘all wrong’. You tell me what I (or other posters) should do; “You shouldn't care about religion, considering most of you seem to "accept" all religion”; which is completely out the thread’s topic context and proves to be critically ridiculing.

You continue:
“It's a belief. Not something worth complaining, or dying over. But people use it as superiority”

Which is fine… and I don’t reply to this.


Next bit, you say in response to”
this thread was bullshit, and thats why (i'd assume) bit was pissed.
...granted, hes pissed all the time. but stuff like this gets even me kinda angry.

why is it bullshit? because it challenges your mentality?”:


luxoPlus says that “if you agree with the idea that religion should be personal...why are you making threads that criticize and belittle peoples beliefs?” “
why bring up religion, when you're as aware as i am...that none of us will have anything to say that could possibly sway or influence any of our minds?” and I replied:

I therefore skipped his first paragraph because ‘it [was his] misconception’. With that established – his argument criticizing my thread lay to rest – I probed to see if he had an allegorized reason for condemn it. Asking: “why is it bullshit? because it challenges your mentality?”

He didn’t rely, but you did.

He didn’t when he said “stuff like this gets even me kinda angry”.



Ok, you continue:

and I ask “Who exactly has it all wrong? Please be specific.” You bold ‘people’? You must have misunderstood what I mean. WHAT GROUP OF PEOPLE?

Then you quote me saying ‘obviously…’ in response to you saying “[Religion] should be personal” “It's a belief”. Saying: “Ok, if it's so obvious, then why the shit did you asked "Who exactly has it all wrong?" just ONE quote before?”

This makes little to no sense. So I won’t even bother.

Then you say:

And I will reply now: what has this to do with “Why believe in a Christian god when the spiritual portions of the bible's texts are unempirical? - a question i ask myself everytime is see a preist.”?

Note: I know I’ve staved off topic myself to reply to other posts; however I haven’t drawn upon random ideas – like the above.


You say after all this in response to something I said which annoyed you:

You almost contradict yourself, as you previously stated “Ok. Listen to this: I don't accept all religion's.”

I will respond to this stuff about religions being vague now: Obviously religion is vague anyone could make that observation… where do I say it isn’t vague? You seem to be drawing upon random ideas once again.

You finally quote me:
Saying in response:

– You assume there is no peaceful solution. Perhaps I am stupid not to do the same. Eh, I don’t understand “You are the all-hypocritical crap of the world.” … which means exactly??

Christianity may well exist; A ‘divine being’ – who is a man and is called ‘God’ may indeed exist and have a son called Jesus. He may have made a garden of Eden where we originated from. Once again I must circumnavigate to what I previously said: Just because a book says all this; it is not enough for me.

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atleast we'll be warm

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in the spirit of things - merry christmans ^^,

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Besides basically summing up the last page in one post, was there any point to that post, besides, "WHAT PEOPLES!!!!!!???"...

...?


I mean all people. I don't exclude anyone.


But, whatever. I'm too busy listening to Metallica to post anything long or angry! Thanks for the link man!

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"i dont do anything because i think its cool."- ....bullshit detected

i am a Deist. here is the Deist bible: God creates world, God sits back with a bucket of popcorn to watch. i also believe in evolution. it fits. its like being Jewish ie: no Jesus, except i believe that God has a lassiez-faire (hands off) approach toward the world. that being said, i just dont hang out with bible beaters in general. i think its funny how Jesus got pwnt!!! by Santa, and the easter bunny for that matter. holidays are such bullshit and yet i enjoy them so much because i get to rest and hang out with people. i am most looking forward to buying my own computer these holidays.
donating is good if you can afford it, i cant.

"If you belive in God then you should be accepting of all other people's beliefs." -
fuck that, unadulterated tolerance just means that you get stepped on. tolerance is earned.

Bush:
I could not do much better of a job as president than Bush. I would not want to be president ever. We have had much better presidents in the past. Those are the facts.

if i didn't think that i was better than most other people in some way, then i would change how i acted. i dont need to.
just some thoughts that ran thought my head as i read all of that up there...

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lol, it was to clear things up -_-

u downloaded it all? aweseomeness ^__^

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"Faith."

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