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03-26-2008, 05:41 PM

communism

have been doing it in class
had a report due tuesday (presentation included)
worked my ass off to make it closer to perfection.
turned it in on wed morning
temporarily have a 0 on it.
essay was on communism 1940-1960
am now watching (supposed to be reading) animal farm, and will have tests on it the following week.

so all that I have concluded is
fuck communism (pretty much my thesis for essay)
if you don't like where you live, or how it is ran... move away
I want to build a new country ran by the people
but if you don't put effort, then you get no pay.
watching the horse do all the labor, and then the (talking) pigs get the wealth pisses me off.

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03-26-2008, 09:59 PM

Re: communism

A 14-year-old that doesn't for once think communism is just absolutely the shit? Thank raptor-jesus.

However, your dislike is rather simplistic, and does not grasp the real reason why it does not work (as the inequalities and conflict as seen in Soviet Russia and Animal Farm is not necessarily caused by being commies). The problems are all in the economics:

- the economy is centrally planned - meaning the government decides what will be produced, rather than the whims of the market. No entrepreneurialship required, which does not result in increased productivity or lower prices that entail competition for the consumer's money.
- people being "equal" is not realistic. A doctor should not earn the same pay as a factory worker, and by doing so, this discourages hard work and diversification of labour, as being lazy nets the same results.
- as such, it depends on people being inherently good (as someone like Rousseau would have you believe). In reality, humans are more or less the opposite - everything we do is for personal gain of some kind (a more Hobbesian notion). While communism depends on people being good (and thus diverting from human nature), capitalism allows room for our natural greed, and even thrives on it.

Mention that shit and A++ for you.

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03-27-2008, 08:57 PM

Re: communism

In conclusion, fuck Russian communism, Lenin was an idealist, but not pragmatic, and Animal Farm was nothing but an album.

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03-29-2008, 11:38 PM

Re: communism

lenin was a dude using pragmatic means, to reach an idealist end. so he was all, by systematically rationing out a set numbers of supplies to whole cities-- in different regions, with completely different needs--, i accept that thousands of people will starve.....so that in the end we can live in this shared dream of social equality.

and bit you've seen zeitgeist, right?

P.S. it's pragmatist.

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03-30-2008, 03:19 AM

Re: communism

Actually his view is more accurate than those people like Malthus or Boserup, just he didn't take into account that it wouldn't be that lack of technology that would cause starving, it would be greed of the first world.

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03-30-2008, 10:21 AM

Re: communism

monkey, I say exactly what you said, with less words.

(communism can not maintain homeostasis because
1: if a doctor is making as much as a farmer, the doctor (having the higher iq) will eventually say "fuck this, my work is harder, so I should be paid more
2: there will always be people who either work, or do not. The people that do not work will be paid as much as the workers, thus the workers finding out that it is bullshit
3: the whole concept of communism is for everyone to be "equal" but where as Orwell illustrates, although all the common people are "equal" the higher being (goverment) are still people with higher rank. So in itself, not everyone is equal.
4: If everyone was equal, then there would be no "leaders" thus having no structure for society. >>BOOM
)

I say we have a society based on all judgments by the vote of the people. Only facts can be given, no propaganda bullshit. So to settle a disagreement such as Abortion, you have a country-wide vote, whomever wins the vote of yes, wins the decision. If you do not like how it is, GTFOMYINTERWEBS

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03-30-2008, 10:21 AM

Re: communism

care to elaborate?

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03-30-2008, 12:12 PM

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lenin was dude using pragmatic means to reach an idealist end. so he was like by systematically rationing out set numbers of supplies to whole cities in different regions with completely different needs, i accept that thousands of people will starve...so that in the end we can live in this shared dream of social equality which is a dumbass impossible ideal.

and it's pragmatist.

and bit you've seen zeitgeist, right?

I still contend it's not pragmatic just from the fact that at some point is does become idealist.

And no, I don't like conspiracy theories.

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03-30-2008, 12:20 PM

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monkey, I say exactly what you said, with less words.

(communism can not maintain homeostasis because
1: if a doctor is making as much as a farmer, the doctor (having the higher iq) will eventually say "fuck this, my work is harder, so I should be paid more
2: there will always be people who either work, or do not. The people that do not work will be paid as much as the workers, thus the workers finding out that it is bullshit
3: the whole concept of communism is for everyone to be "equal" but where as Orwell illustrates, although all the common people are "equal" the higher being (goverment) are still people with higher rank. So in itself, not everyone is equal.
4: If everyone was equal, then there would be no "leaders" thus having no structure for society. >>BOOM

This point alone shows how you miss the point of communism. Not all communism is Castro taking over some shit island for 100 years. [i]Real[/u] communism involves a takeover of the government by the proletariat, followed by reform, and eventually the new "leaders" would absolve over time, as the government could function by itself with the abolition of private ownership.

The problem is that Marx said this new dictatorship would wither away, but of course, he gave no indication how it would do so.

Also, he put way too much faith into people.

In conclusion, fuck communism.

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03-30-2008, 02:56 PM

Re: communism

the first and second parts aside. zeitgeist is right on.

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03-30-2008, 03:00 PM

Re: communism

No it isn't. You actually buy that crap? Its made up almost entirely of paranoid assumptions and flat-out fallacies.

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03-30-2008, 03:03 PM

Re: communism

not the entirety of it.
like it's not true world bankers want to take over the world, but they DO abuse their power over the fed. just recently JP Morgan Chase siphoned funds from the fed to buy out Bear Stearns inc which SHOULD be illegal.

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03-30-2008, 06:04 PM

Re: communism

"id sae da ezest wei 2 git ur wei is 2 kil any figgits dat git in ur wei!"
~Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Mao Zedong, Ida Amin, Brentech

I said whoawhoawhoa, who's got the laaast laaaugh noooooowwww

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03-30-2008, 06:38 PM

Re: communism

@bit, right on
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03-30-2008, 08:38 PM

...which happens to be another term for my "fire crotch".

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not the entirety of it.
like it's not true world bankers want to take over the world, but they DO abuse their power over the fed. just recently JP Morgan Chase siphoned funds from the fed to buy out Bear Stearns inc which SHOULD be illegal.

If trust-busting were still a major concern today...

But regardless, look up the Business Plot. Prolly on Wikipedia, since that site is God, but still. JP Morgan is a bastard, and someone deserves to go Teddy Roosevelt on his dead ass. But TAKING OVER THE WORLD?

Anyone who even considers that is a heretic and deserves to burn at my stake....

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03-31-2008, 12:54 AM

Re: communism

capitalism is bullshit

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03-31-2008, 10:15 AM

Re: communism

HAHAHAHAHA. LIFE IS BULLSHIT.

get drunk and have a party!

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03-31-2008, 12:59 PM

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"Great spirits proclaim that, Capitalism, is indeed organized crime, and we're all the victims."

-The greatest band to ever come about, Refused.

And c'mon now, people who can look legit evidence straight in the face and say it's not true are brainwashed and mindless.

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03-31-2008, 01:23 PM

Re: communism

what are you talking about?

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03-31-2008, 07:10 PM

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I'm talking about people who can look at legitimate evidence regarding something like 9/11 and still dismiss it all as a fallacy. Like they think life or something can't be so ruthless.

People have been so well molded into their traditional ideals that they can't see anything otherwise cause they are just too comfortable with their conceived notions of the great men who lead them, is what I'm saying.

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03-31-2008, 10:14 PM

Re: communism

Are you saying you support Loose Change?

"It was impliiiiiieeeeeddddddd"
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04-01-2008, 07:13 AM

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I'm talking about people who can look at legitimate evidence regarding something like 9/11 and still dismiss it all as a fallacy. Like they think life or something can't be so ruthless.

People have been so well molded into their traditional ideals that they can't see anything otherwise cause they are just too comfortable with their conceived notions of the great men who lead them, is what I'm saying.

I do agree with this view, however, i would not say that the evidence is conclusive.

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04-01-2008, 01:17 PM

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capitalism is bullshit

Have fun being poor.

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I'm talking about people who can look at legitimate evidence regarding something like 9/11 and still dismiss it all as a fallacy. Like they think life or something can't be so ruthless.

What legitimate evidence? Something like Zeitgeist may seem to have the answers, but believing that because it is what you were told and seems accurate is no less foolish than blindly following the government's rhetoric.

Besides, for the government to destroy the WTC for the benefits of being able to lead the people like sheep is illogical, as the economic disadvantages far outweigh anything else, nor would it have been the best course of actions to play upon peoples emotions. The World Trade Center, frankly, was never really a great American symbol - that would be the likes of the Whitehouse, Empire State Building, Chrysler Building, etc. Destroying one of these or simply a residential district of a city would have had far less economic repercussions and would only have angered the populace further, thus making them easier to lead.

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04-01-2008, 02:28 PM

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Regardless of economic disadvantages, that doesn't answer the question of how all of what happened to the WTC buildings fit the criteria for a controlled demolition.

As said by many of the original WTC architects, the building was created so that it would sustain damage from a boeing 707 even multiple of them, a plane that is extremely close in design as the planes used which were the 767s.

Hell, even my dad who worked in Cerberus Pyrotechnics in the WTC said that a plane alone would not make it fall, which it shouldn't have.

And as said in Zeitgeist the pancake theory was clearly not what it was because the buildings fell at free fall speed and were completely obliterated.

Also in Zeitgeist there are photos and video of how professional demolitionists bring down buildings by cutting the center support columns diagonally, and oddly enough the exact same thing happened to the center columns in the WTC, not to mention the curious smoke bursting out the sides of the building.

Also even more evidence was that Thermite was found in the building, you can even see it in the videos, also the pools of molten steel at the bottom of the buildings? The only way to logically explain how the buildings came down is to say it was a controlled demolition, any other possibility is ludicrous.

Just because the sources relayed are said by someone who simply did research doesn't make those sources any less credible. Maybe if the video hadn't cited all of their sources at the end credits, yes then I would be following blindly, and I doubt someone would cite sources that would only later be revealed as unreliable, although yes I know the religion sources were from radicals, the religion part didn't have video and photo evidence right in your face.

And I also doubt the world domination deal, but whatever, whatever happens happens.

A revolution would be awesome, regardless.

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04-01-2008, 04:26 PM

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LOL@people oppressed by communist dictators
(in relation to the animals being ruled by the pigs in animal farm)
somewhat what dan is saying, if your goverment is conducting bullshit, and it is being ran with bullshit ideas, then GTFOTHERE I mean seriously. no one better give me that shit about "the can't escape" cause if you have 2 legs, then you can escape from a country. (saying that you are not impriosoned or anything)

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